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Breeding Discus Part 3

We will now go over what you can expect after the eggs have been laid on the breeding surface by the female Discus. This is where the frustration starts. The first two issues that you must overcome  are the parents eating of the eggs, especially by the male.  You will also have to deal with infertility. We will go over the eating of the eggs first. We will go over fertility in the part 4 of the series.

The number one problem, and the one you must get past, with breeding Discus is the eating of the eggs by the parents. While both parents will eat the eggs, the male does it more often. This is often done as they spawn with the male following the female as she lays the eggs and then the male immediately eats the eggs.  There is very little you can do if this occurs while spawning. The female will make her egg-laying run and then the male, instead of following her with a fertilizing run, will follow her and eat the row of eggs. This behavior is very common in new breeding pairs of Discus. A majority of new Discus pairs will eat their eggs. Fortunately, they will often stop this behavior as they become a more mature spawning pair. If you get lucky and they do not eat their eggs when spawning, there is a very good chance that they will eat them before they hatch. The good news is, if you get this far, there is something you can do. You can take the eggs out and artificially raise them or you can take a mesh screen (house soffit screen works very well) and fit it directly over the eggs. This will allow the Discus to still blow on the eggs and bond with them, but it will keep them from eating the eggs. You will need to have planned for the spawning and will need to have created the screen prior to the actual spawn. If the eggs do not get eaten and are fertile, they should hatch out in three days and become free swimming in about six days.  This is the hardest step in the process of breeding Discus.

Breeding Discus Part 2

The spawning process is the best part of breeding Discus. This has always been my favorite part of Discus keeping and I still, 40 years after my first Discus spawn, find it fascinating.

The first indication that your Discus are getting ready to spawn will be their obsession with cleaning a rock, breeding cone, filter tube or side of the aquarium. Once you see both of them doing this, spawning will usually follow within a couple of days. You will soon see them start to do the mating dance. They will swim towards each other at a slightly upward angle. Once they get next to each other, they will shimmy and then swim away from each other at a slightly lowered angle. The most spectacular part of the spawning process will be the colors of your Discus. Whatever their color prior to spawning, it will become MUCH more intense and vibrant during spawning. This will be the most beautiful you will ever see your Discus. They will also become aggressive toward other fish, including Discus, at this time. They will aggressively chase away other fish from the breeding site from all intruders, including you.  The male Discus will be the one that is most aggressive.

After your Discus start doing all of the above, they will actually start laying the eggs. It will begin with the female rubbing her belly, and her breeding tube, against the surface that they have cleaned. She will always lay in an upwards motion. The total length of the spawning run will be between ½ and three inches. Some Discus will have extremely orderly patterns of laying the eggs.  Others will look haphazard.  She will lay between 1 and 12 eggs per spawning run. The male Discus will usually then follow directly behind her in the same basic motion spraying the eggs. You usually cannot see the actual cloud. The entire process can take between one and five hours.

This is when the fun ends the frustration starts. The first two issues that you will be confronted with are eating of the eggs, especially by the male, and infertility.

Breeding Discus Part 1

What you need to understand is that you are not in total control. If Discus do not want to pair off, they are not going to pair off and there is nothing you can do about it. What you can do is provide the right conditions so that it is more likely that they will pair off.

If you have a sexed pair of Discus in a tank by themselves, there is an approximately 70% chance that they will eventually pair off if left together for a long period of time.

To encourage the potential young lover Discus along, provide conditions that are conducive for fishy love. We put seven mature Discus in a 125-gallon tank and let them acclimate to it for two weeks. We then start doing sudden changes in the tank conditions to encourage courtship. Some of the changes we make are

  • Change the water temperature to 76 degrees for a few days and then bring it up to 88 degrees over about 12 hours and then leave it at 88 degrees for a week.
  • Let the tank get somewhat dirty by not doing the daily water changes for a week and then doing an 80% water change.
  • Feed your potential breeder Discus heavily for three days and then stop feeding them for two days, followed by feeding them live food for three days.
  • Do two 60% water changes six hours apart where the Ph goes from 6.4 to 7.0 at the first change and then from 7.0 to 7.6 at the second change.
  •  Leave the tank totally dark for two days and then turn the lights on for two days.

If you have tried all of the above and after two months your Discus still have not paired off, we switch out three of those Discus and start the process over again with four new Discus along with the four remaining.

Acclimation Instructions for Newly Shipped Fish

Acclimation Instructions

Your new fish should be kept in a separate, bare, isolation tank for 2 weeks.

If you do not have a separate isolation tank, any other large container, such as a bucket or tub, that is free of chemicals may be used. Make sure that you put a heater and bubbler (a new sponge filter is best) in the temporary tank. Remember, this is only for two weeks. The temporary isolation tank should be a bare bottom tank with nothing in it other than the aeration and a heater (no plants, snails, fake plants, gravel, driftwood, decorations or other fish).  Make sure everything in the isolation tank is completely sterile or new. After two weeks, When the fish are showing no signs of stress or disease, they can be moved to their permanent aquarium.

CHANGE 40 PERCENT OF THE WATER DAILY FOR THE FIRST WEEK AND THEN EVERY OTHER DAY FOR THE SECOND WEEK.  MAKE SURE THAT YOU USE TREATED TAP WATER, DISTILLED WATER OR SPRING WATER.  DO NOT USE CYCLED WATER OR WATER FROM OTHER TANKS.

It is urgent that you unpack your fish as soon as possible. Float the bag in the isolation aquarium where they are going to stay. DO NOT open the bag at this time! You may find that you need to remove some of the aquarium water to prevent it from overflowing when the bags are placed in the aquarium. If necessary, remove some aquarium water into a clean plastic bucket or other food safe receptacle. Be sure the container for excess water does not have any reside from household cleaners or other potentially toxic chemicals, as you will use this water to refill the aquarium later.

Allow the bags to float in the temporary tank for at least 45 minutes to allow temperatures to slowly equalize (longer if necessary). Open the fish bags only when you are ready to immediately put them into your aquarium and the temperature of the bag water and the tank water are the same. DO NOT put any water from your aquariums into the bags or vice-versa! Avoid netting as much as possible.  Gently pour off most of the water from the bag thru a net. Then release the fish from the bag directly into the aquarium. Another good method uses a smooth plastic spaghetti strainer with small holes. Gently scoop or release the fish into the receptacle, drain the water and place the fish immediately into the aquarium. Large specimens can often be simply hand placed into the aquarium. If these methods are not applicable, place a large net over the top of a clean bucket with enough water to cover approximately a third of the bottom of the net. Open the bag and carefully pour some of the fish into the net and immediately place them directly into the aquarium. Try to avoid a net full of fish as they will ball up in the net, and the ones underneath can be damaged from compression and friction. Remember that water from the bag may react with the water from the aquarium, and could be very harmful. Never mix bag and aquarium water!

Sometimes during shipping, fish lie at the bottom of the bag and appear dead. “Playing opossum” is a common animal stress behavior. Carbon dioxide also acts to tranquilize the fish. Even if the fish look like they are mostly dead, put them into an aquarium as outlined above. Watch their mouths and gills for 5 minutes.  If there is no movement of the mouth or gills for a full 5 minutes, it is dead.  Leave the aquarium lights off to further reduce stress, and leave them alone. You will be amazed how clean water and stress reduction help!

Like other animals, fish produce carbon dioxide as they breathe. When carbon dioxide is dissolved in water, an acid is formed, lowering the pH of the water just like in a carbonated beverage. Fish also produce ammonia, which can be very damaging. Ammonia is present in water as NH3 or as NH4+, or as a combination of these forms. The toxic form of ammonia is NH3. The proportion of NH3 versus NH4+ is dependent on pH. The lower the pH, the lower the amount of NH3, and the greater the proportion of the less damaging NH4+. In the wild, freshwater fish naturally experience wide changes in pH.

One of the reasons fish can be shipped long distances in closed bags is because the pH in the shipping water drops, making the ammonia non-toxic. The carbon dioxide acts as a tranquilizer. When the bag is opened, and exposed to the outside air, carbon dioxide escapes, the pH of the water immediately begins to rise, and ammonia becomes deadly. Fish skin and gill damage will then occur very quickly. NEVER add water from a shipping bag into your aquarium, as you do not want all that harmful ammonia in your aquarium. NEVER add water from your aquarium into the shipping bag. 

Columnaris

Introduction: Columnaris is a very common type of bacterial infection in Discus. It responds differently than other Bacterial Infections and affects the skin, gills and sometimes it also infects the internal organs causing sepsis. It is always associated with fish that are very stressed. The most common origins of stress are shipping, overcrowding, low oxygen, poor water conditions (improper Ph, Hard Water and water that is too cold). Most fish have the disease in a dormant state. It will occur in fish that have their immune system weakened due to stress or that are exposed to high levels of the bacteria from other infected fish. As it is dormant and can become inflamed when stressed, it is very important to quarantine newly shipped fish in a sterile tank after the stress of shipping. If a healthy, but newly stressed fish from shipping is exposed to other fish in an established tank that does not have pristine water conditions, the tank can quickly become infected. A healthy fish that it is exposed to an infected tank, even if it is dormant in some of the other fish, it will quickly become infected.

Pathology: Columnaris starts as a bacterial infection of the skin. Within 14 hours, it will often move to infect gills and within 24-48 hours it can infect the inner organs. Columnaris can become lethal as quickly as 18 hours and untreated it will be lethal in 50-90 percent of the fish within a week. The most common cause of death is infection of the gills, making it impossible for the infected fish to diffuse enough oxygen through the gill membranes. It is like the fish getting Pneumonia and suffocating. These seriously infected fish will usually die within 72 hours of becoming infected. Fish that are able to ward of the infection of the gills might still die from internal organ infections. The two most common types of inner organ infections is liver failure leading to the fish dying from a buildup of toxins and sepsis, which is a total infection of all of the inner organs that will often lead to heart failure.

Symptoms: Columnaris in the early stages is difficult to tell from other Bacterial Skin Infections. Like Bacterial Skin Infections, Columnaris first shows up as a dulling of the coloration in the Discus and in some strains will lead to the fish getting dark. Infected fish will huddle in the corners of the tank and will clamp their fins. The respiration rate of infected fish will increase significantly. As the infection develops, and unlike most bacterial skin infections, some fish will develop white patchy wounds and will also have frayed fins with white fuzzy edges. The fish will typically lose most of their appetite. In the final stages, the fish will become very emaciated and then will often lie on their side at the bottom of the tank.

Treatment: Columnaris is a gram negative bacterium. It can be treated with a gram negative antibiotic. We have found that the most effective antibiotic is the old standard Tetracycline (which is effective against both gram positive and gram negative bacterium) We use OxyTetracycline which is more water soluble than Tetracycline. when caught early, most fish still have some appetite left and the most effective way to administer the antibiotic is with treated food. We sell the medicated food, please go to this link: https://www.somethingsphishy.com/flake-fish-food-with-oxytetracycline-p-1360.html   The most effective treatment of Columnaris is with Potassium Permanganate. You should be EXTREMELY CAREFUL with the dosage of the Potassium Permanganate. In even slightly higher dosages than those we list below, Potassium Permanganate is lethal within an hour. We use it to sterilize tanks when they are empty before we add fish. If you research the treatment of fish with Potassium Permanganate, you will likely get very confused. Most treatments state the dosage in parts per million and other terms that the average hobbyists will have difficulty translating into a useable treatment dosage. We have described it below in terms that most aquarist will have no trouble in using. We recommend starting with a premix of 30 grams per 1.5 liters of water. You can use a food or medication scale, that can be bought at any grocery store, to weigh it out. You can also purchase the Potassium Permanganate powder at the Florida Tropical Fish Farmers Coop website.
http://ftffacoop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=57&products_id=498

Once you have created the premix solution, you should treat the tank with 7 ml of the premix per 10 gallons of distilled water. You can buy a syringe that uses milliliters at any pharmacy. You will see that the tank turns purple to brown, depending on how much biological material is free floating in the tank. The coloration will slowly turn clear (tan in severely infected tanks). After 24 hours, do a 50% water change and add the water back in treated at 3 ml of Premix per 10 gallons. Repeat this every day for seven days. If you mistakenly over dose the tank, you can neutralize it using Hydrogen Peroxide.

Prevention: Discus tanks should have UV filtration/sterilization. UV Filtration is the most important first line of defense. As Columnaris is brought on by stress, any causes of stress should be eliminated. The most common stressors are overcrowding with fish and/or plants and poor water conditions. We cannot overemphasize the importance of quarantining newly shipped fish in a separate, sterile isolation tank for at least two weeks. This should be a bare bottom tank with no other fish (other than the ones received), plants, snails, gravel, driftwood or ornaments. It should only have a filter, heater and aeration, all of which have been sterilized.

History of Flowerhorn

The History of the Flowerhorn Cichlid

The Flowerhorn Cichlid is a result of hybrid between different South American cichlids. The Flowerhorn was developed in Malaysia during 1990s, and exactly which South American Cichlids that was used and in which combinations is still a secret. This secrecy has of caused a lot of speculation and a number of more or less reasonable theories have been put forth. One of the more unlikely theories suggests that the Flowerhorn Cichlid was artificially created in a Malaysian genetics laboratory by combining genes from a Goldfish with genes from the Trimac Cichlid (Amhilophous Trimaculatus). This theory does garner a little credibility as the Trimac Cichlid has the same basic shape of a Flowerhorn (albeit the hump is much smaller and is very colorful.  A more reasonable suggestion is that the Flowerhorn Cichlid is the result of crossing many different types of South American cichlids with each other, and that different forms of Flowerhorn Cichlids can steam from different South American Cichlids. The most likely ancestry is a crossing between the Trimac cichlid and other South American cichlids such as Midas Cichlid (Amphilophus Citrinellum), Red Devil Cichlid (Amphilophus Labiatum) and Redheaded Cichlid (Vieja Synspila).  This theory we believe here at Somethingsphishy.com is correct.

The look of the Flowerhorn Cichlids available in fish stores today is however not just the result of selective breeding. You can affect the appearance of a Flowerhorn Cichlid by adjusting environmental factors such as the water chemistry in the aquarium. The food you feed your Flowerhorn Cichlid can also change its look. The single most important factor behind the look of the fish is however the genetic makeup formed by selective breeding.  Only males develop the signature Hump.  Flowerhorn respond to color enhancing food dramatically and we recommend you use it with them.

The Flowerhorn has been criticized as an unnatural and dangerous hybrid, produced by money-hungry breeders just to make money. Others have been impressed by the hard work that is evidently behind the creation of the Flowerhorn Cichlid. A lot of the South American Cichlids mentioned above will occasionally interbreed in the wild as well, but there is no doubt that the Flowerhorn Cichlid has been deliberately produced by breeders. The Flowerhorn Cichlids are not the result of random cross breeding. Some people view the Flowerhorn as a purely man-made creation while others compare the hybrid to all the other animal variants that have been refined by humans during centuries of selective breeding such as breeds of dogs and cats.

Instructions to Artificially Raising Discus Fish Fry

This article describes in detail how to artificially raise Discus Fish.  

Step 1:
Give the parents a 2 inch PVC pipe 14-16″ long to let them spawn on. You can attached it to a 4 inch converter to give it a base.  pH must be below 7 with 6.5  being ideal and water used throughout this process must be soft (around 200 ppm TDS). 

Step 2:
Make sure that the males is fertilizing the eggs, otherwise any attempt is futile.  You will see making a breeding run after the female lays eggs.

Step 3:
Wait four hours after spawning is finished. This gives the eggs time to fully fertilize.

Step 4:
Using a 2 gallon glass beaker, fill it with the tank water the parents (& eggs) are in. Put the PVC in the jar (quickly and calmly).  Then put the beaker into a 5-10 gallon tank.  So you will have the eggs inside a beaker which is inside a 5-10 gallon tank.

Step 5:
Then quickly remove the PCV pie and put it into the beaker filled with water at 84f (50w heater is required). Also put a small Sponge Filter in the tank and turn it on. This will keep the jar warm and allow the tank to cycle. 

Step 6:
Turn the air flow in the Sponge Filter on so that there is a good current in the tank (don’t blast the eggs though).  The current will help keep the eggs from growing fungus.

Step 7:
Add three to six drops of methylene blue. Other people may recommend more, but I believe that it may cause fry loss. Six or less drops works well and allows you to observe the eggs.

Step 8:
They will begin hatching (if they are fertile and the correct water parameters/hardness/uS are present) in two days.

Step 9:
They will start free swimming in three to four days . They will be clogged in a bunch on the bottom of the tub during this period and will untangle when ready.

Step 10:
As soon as they become free swimming, give them their first feeding. Use artificial plankton and rotifers (a.p.r.) used for feeding marine filter feeders. Add an amount the size of the winding screw on your watch.

Step 11:
4 hrs later remove the jar from the 5g tank and float a small Rubbermaid tub in the 5g tank. Place the airstone in the tub (turn it off first). Use a baster to move the fry to the little tub. Fill the tub with the jar water 75% and 5g tank 25% until the tub is almost full. Turn the airstone on to a small blip…blip..blip….. enough to keep the surface of the water in the tub broken. Keep the tank with the tub covered to avoid cooling/evap/drafting on the tub.

Step 12:
Add the same small amount of food.

Step 13:
4 hrs. later do a fifty percent water change of tub water using the baster. I go from the baster to another small tub before I dump the water in case I suck up some fry (so I don’t dump them out). Replace the tub water with the tank water (Hey, notice the tank water is the same temp as the tub water!). Feed same small amount.

Step 14:
4-6 hrs later do a 90% change using the above method. (NOTE: eventually the 5g starts to get low. NEVER (REPEAT VERY LOUDLY, NEVER EVER) fill the 5g until the tub water has been changed and refilled. If you do fill the 5g tank prior to filling the tub, the temp may not be exactly the same and when you fill the tub afterwards you might watch the babies go into shock…they WILL NOT recover! (This cost me A LOT of fry to figure this out!).

Step 15:
Repeat 90% water change and feeding every 4-6 hrs. (8 at the most so you can sleep, I’ve gone 10 before, but don’t recommend it unless the is nothing you can do about it).

Step 16:
On the second day of free swimming, add a tiny amount (VERY TINY) amount of NEWLY HATCHED baby brine shrimp (b.b.s.) with every feeding. Don’t stop using the a.p.r. at this point. Continue performing step 15. a.p.r. shows grey bellies, b.b.s. shows pink bellies.

Step 17:
Continue feeding a.p.r. and b.b.s. for one week. All bellies should show pink by end of week.

Step 18:
Once all bellies show pink discontinue the a.p.r. and continue the b.b.s. Keep performing step 15.

Step 19:
One week later you should have lots of fry the size of baby Discus. Let them go into the 5g tank and feed them there from now on. Keep the tank clean and watch the water changing temp. A once a day water change is good enough. The rest is standard baby fish stuff!